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ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby johnharris » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:04 pm

The ATF - as expected - has issued a letter in which it disregards the 10th Amendment restrictions on federal power ( as seems to be the trend since the late 1930) and has notified Tennessee's federal firearms dealers that the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act is meaningless. Essentially, ATF is saying to the state of Tennessee that the 10th Amendment no longer exists.

We expected such from a tyranny that no longer lives within the bounds of its express authority.....


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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby JTravis » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:45 pm

So what is the next step?
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby johnharris » Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:47 pm

For one, we need enough states to sign on to get the feds to take the states' right / 10th Amendment issues seriously.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby SomeGuy » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:51 am

Even if all 50 sign on, if nothing happens when the Feds ignore it, nothing happens. Something has to be planned for the next step.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby johnharris » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:56 am

SomeGuy wrote:Even if all 50 sign on, if nothing happens when the Feds ignore it, nothing happens. Something has to be planned for the next step.


Its called a constitutional convention....
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby photoguy67 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:00 am

I don't know that we have enough politicians that I trust enough to hold a constitutional convention, we could come out even worse.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby Tim Nunan » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:08 pm

So the opinion of a federal agency overrides the laws of the individual states? I'd think it would next go to court.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby fl0at » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:51 pm

Tim Nunan wrote:So the opinion of a federal agency overrides the laws of the individual states? I'd think it would next go to court.


Would an individual have to be charged, in order to take it to court, or could the ATF's opinion be taken to court?

Because I don't think California ever was able to legally force the DEA to stop raiding their "medical use" drug users' homes. I think the DEA just, stopped.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby Underground » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:40 am

That's what I was wondering, if there has to be a 'test case' for it to be heard. Can the state appeal that directly in this case, and would they actually pursue it?
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby Tim Nunan » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:46 pm

Apparently the Tennessee AG agrees with the BATFE and has given a written opinion that the 9th and 10th Amendments are pretty much void. http://terryfrank.net/wp-content/upload ... july24.pdf
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby C. Richard Archie » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:20 pm

Are you sure he is from Tennessee?
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby johnharris » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:31 pm

Born in Tennessee or not, there is not a shred of "states rights" flowing through those veins. Similar beliefs were those who stood around when the Founding Fathers declared a necessity for resisting England in the name of "states rights."
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby tnlawman » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:16 am

C. Richard Archie wrote:Are you sure he is from Tennessee?



No, this does not sound like it was written by an experienced attorney. It reads
like it was written by an intern, literally. Useless garbage is this opinion. It
dodges the issues.

They say they have a long standing policy of not opining on federal taxation powers
and then go on to issue an opinion?

More solid research needs to be done. Their analysis barely scratches at the answers
sought by the representative.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby redbarron06 » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:08 am

So according to the AG congress can regulate where we can take a dump beacuse the toilet paper was made in another state. His opinion also could be twisted to say that congress has the authority to tell you what veggies you can grow in your own back yard beacuse you could be costing a professional farmer profits by not buying his stock.

This clown needs to go.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby johnharris » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:23 pm

Uh, yep.

As I note, it is the same type of endless construction of power that King George concluded he had - a problem that the Founding Fathers clearly understood, risked their lives and fortunes to fight and devoted their wisdom to preclude from ever arising under the Constitution only to be "construed" out of existence by another subsequent tyrant.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby backwoodsman » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:15 pm

I agree with you John. In the past our presidents have tended to be more covert and under the radar , but the new mack daddy is just trying to openly steam roll the American public, and I am actually glad, because it seems to be waking up a lot of people who have been asleep, they say it's all for us, they don't want to explain anything in detail , just trust us it's all for you, and so good for you alone,... sounds like king george alright.. Wake up everybody you know , ask them to ask what's going on, and not just what's going on but what's going on in detail, when they pass bills none of them ever even bother to read, I can assure you , that you won't know what your getting till it's too late!!, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!! It's your constitutional right to question authority! Don't just assume they're looking out for your best interest, because they are not!
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby SomeGuy » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:13 am

I got a letter from our friends in the ATF. (I have an FFL).

Basically parroted their position. Lovely bunch of swine they are.
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby johnharris » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:18 am

SomeGuy wrote:I got a letter from our friends in the ATF. (I have an FFL).

Basically parroted their position. Lovely bunch of swine they are.


Uh, some swine are redeeming. We benefit from ham, BBQ, sausage and bacon. I am not sure how we benefit from the current carnation of the ATF which institutionally continues to move fully toward a corporate mentality of "Always Think Forfeiture" or, if going under BATF "Ban All Those Firearms", or, it seems increasingly

"BANNISH ALL THEIR FREEDOM"
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby ProguninTN » Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:07 pm

johnharris wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:I got a letter from our friends in the ATF. (I have an FFL).

Basically parroted their position. Lovely bunch of swine they are.


Uh, some swine are redeeming. We benefit from ham, BBQ, sausage and bacon. I am not sure how we benefit from the current carnation of the ATF which institutionally continues to move fully toward a corporate mentality of "Always Think Forfeiture" or, if going under BATF "Ban All Those Firearms", or, it seems increasingly

"BANNISH ALL THEIR FREEDOM"


What was that comment from Rep. John Dingell a few years back ? Something like jackbooted thugs ?
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Re: ATF Rejects TN Firearms Freedom Act -- No to 10th Amendment

Postby hkgonra » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:12 am

redbarron06 wrote:So according to the AG congress can regulate where we can take a dump beacuse the toilet paper was made in another state. His opinion also could be twisted to say that congress has the authority to tell you what veggies you can grow in your own back yard beacuse you could be costing a professional farmer profits by not buying his stock.

This clown needs to go.


The way I understand the current distortion of the commerce clause is that they can tell you where to take a dump even if you use your own homemade toliet paper because it is toilet paper and some toilet paper crosses state lines so all toilet paper and its use is subject to federal control.
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