hog106 wrote:So how in the hell can you ensure that all permit holders all "good, law abiding, citizens"? Answer that for me and I will come to your side! Until you can, get a grip!
We obviously cannot guarantee that anymore than we can guarantee that everyone who has access to a pen, a typewriter, a pedestal or the internet will properly exercise their rights under the First Amendment. Recall that by many accounts it was Hitlers' exercise of the art and power of speech, a First Amendment right, which enabled him upon his terrible path. He first persuaded then terrorized with the power he seized through persuasion.
The point is that we cannot and should not restrict those rights
which are constitutionally recognized to exist in the apprehension that someone might somewhere, someday, misuse those rights. History tells us that whatever level of free choice we are given, from the very Garden of Eden, is subject to misuse and abuse. We do not avoid those problems by banning or else God could have banned the apple. We do not avoid murder, or else God could have made the very rocks and stones too soft to kill or our bodies too strong to be killed.
I do not believe that the answer lies in the power of government, which is often abused at the expense of the entire citizenry, to redress potential crime by disenfranchising all citizens in the hopes of averting the conduct of a small minority. Humans will by our very nature remain incapable of creating rules and laws that cannot be violated. More prophylactic laws and restrictions do nothing to avert the potential for harm or crime except to the extent that the individual believes
that his or her violation of a specific law would result in specific, swift and certain punishment in excess of any gain to be achieved by the misconduct then contemplated.
These comments aside, please understand hog106, that I would much prefer for you to feel welcome at this forum and to participate constructively, pro or con, than to perceive that you have been whupped with the intent of shunning you. For example, coming forth with an authority (case or statute) to clarify the duty of an officer would be helpful. Appropriately edited stories about real life experiences with permit holders are useful. I prefer to view the Second Amendment as not an us or them vis-a-vis each other but an us versus the potential that our Founding Fathers perceived as a realisitic potential for a state or federal government to become every bit the suppressive tyrant that the kings of England had been.